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hungtv2002
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thèng này nó uýnh gai hoặc anti theo trường phái phủi roài. mà phủi làm óe gì có đúng sai.
chanvongkieng
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đánh gai thì cũng phải có kỹ thuật chứ,bóng xoáy xuống thì đánh thế nào ,xoay lên và lòng thì đánh như thế nào,quả nào thì tấn công đc,
Trainee
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chả biết sai chỗ nào mà chỉ thấy xài mỗi 1 bên mặt vợt, còn từng top 20 TG và đánh ngang ngửa cựu No 2 TG thì liệu pro VN chấp được mấy?
bác từ từ nói, có khi em lại câu được bài dài cả thước và chốt lại gặp rơ cơ bản cỡ B org là đập chết tươi
hungtv2002
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thế là chú định bẫy người à. may quá anh không chém...
Trainee
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Kê kê, thực ra kiểu cầm vợt của gã kều đó cũng có tên đàng hoàng đó anh. Em không định bẫy ai cả. Chỉ nêu vui một ví dụ để anh em cùng chém gió nó thoang thoáng ra tý. Không phải chỉ có đánh như ML, ZJK, TMB, ... mới là đúng là bóng bàn. Em nghĩ cứ đánh được vào bàn, đúng ý thì là đúng thôi. Còn so ông này với VNT thì nó khó quá. Thời đỉnh cao lão kều này được liệt vào hàng quái vật, với khả năng block tuyệt đỉnh. Em không có thú với việc tìm hiểu các ngôi sao, nhưng vô tình biết cha này từng thắng J.O. Waldner nên cứ ấn tượng mãi thôi
thế là chú định bẫy người à. may quá anh không chém...
Pro nói đúng.Kỹ thuật không có thì vợt có tốt mấy cũng không giải quyết vấn đề gì cả.Kỹ thuật tốt thì cầm cái vợt đường sắt đánh cũng thấy hay
hungtv2002
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cu này thắng cả waldner lun hả. a cũng kg thik mấy cái mớ lý thuyết thèng này thèng kia. trình cứ tầm như vịt né sườn tem trở xuống thì a nghĩ cứ lên sàn thằng nào thắng là thằng ấy kỹ chiến thuật tốt.Kê kê, thực ra kiểu cầm vợt của gã kều đó cũng có tên đàng hoàng đó anh. Em không định bẫy ai cả. Chỉ nêu vui một ví dụ để anh em cùng chém gió nó thoang thoáng ra tý. Không phải chỉ có đánh như ML, ZJK, TMB, ... mới là đúng là bóng bàn. Em nghĩ cứ đánh được vào bàn, đúng ý thì là đúng thôi. Còn so ông này với VNT thì nó khó quá. Thời đỉnh cao lão kều này được liệt vào hàng quái vật, với khả năng block tuyệt đỉnh. Em không có thú với việc tìm hiểu các ngôi sao, nhưng vô tình biết cha này từng thắng J.O. Waldner nên cứ ấn tượng mãi thôi
Trainee
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Vâng, lúc đó thần tượng block Waldner của em top 10 TG. Còn trong clip trên, anh Chen kia #12
Trạng .... CÁ
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Nói như chú @Trainee và bác @hungtv2002 với anh @bachikho thế thì khó lắm. Thiên hạ được mấy dị nhân đâu, đa số toàn loại quái đản chứ chả phải quái vật, vì thể thao là môn nghệ thuật của thể lực, cũng như hội họa là nghệ thuật của sắc màu và hình thể ấy, có Phục Hưng, rồi cũng có Cu lắc, Ấn tượng, Trừu tượng, Lập thể, ... tuy nhiên, các trường phái ít chính thống, hơi dị biệt thường đi vào một khía cạnh rất riêng, và thường là không có hậu duệ, không phải vì nó không đẹp, không độc, mà vì có quá ít vĩ nhân / cuồng nhân có thể thực sự hấp thụ và phát triển nó lên một đỉnh cao mới.
Em thì cái gì cũng muốn chính thống, vì em quan niệm mình là người bình thường, không có tài năng, chả có năng khiếu, nên cái gì đa số hấp thụ và phát triển được, thì em theo.
Em thì cái gì cũng muốn chính thống, vì em quan niệm mình là người bình thường, không có tài năng, chả có năng khiếu, nên cái gì đa số hấp thụ và phát triển được, thì em theo.
Trạng .... CÁ
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How Eric Messed Players Up
Yesterday I blogged about Eric Boggan's national and international record, and mentioned how some of the things he did are basically dying arts. Here is hisHall of Fame profile, written by father and fellow Hall of Famer Tim Boggan.
First, let's clear up one myth. Some believe Eric was only effective because he used inverted and anti, with the same color, so opponents couldn't see which side he used. The two-color rule came about in 1983, when Eric was 19 and not yet at his peak. He had his best results and highest world rankings after the color rule, where he reached #18 in the world. In fact, Eric went to two colors at least six months in advance, figuring he might as well get used to it, since two colors were the future. If not for the two-color rule, he likely would have reached top ten in the world. (But we'll never know.)
What exactly did he do that made his game so effective?
He had either the best, or close to the best, backhand block and overall blocking in the world. His Seemiller grip allowed him to jab block from all parts of the table at wide angles. The grip meant there was no middle weakness, which by itself put him above other blockers who had to guard the wide angles as well as the middle. Plus he regularly would flip his racket and dead block with the antispin side. His anti blocks sometimes double-bounced, and opponents who stepped off the table to loop against regular blocks were left thrashing about trying to react to blocks that died over the table or barely came off. And if they did topspin those ones, they were then stuck too close to the table to react to Eric's next shot, would either be another aggressive block or a smash. (While his loop wasn't great, he had a very nice smash from both sides.)
He also messed up opponents when receiving. Against short serves he'd usually use the antispin side and either drop it short or flip - and he'd hide which until the last second. Then he'd flip to the inverted side and start attacking or aggressive blocking. You haven't faced sheer terror until you face an Eric anti flip and try to loop it. (If you set up for it, he drops the ball short instead.)
His biggest strengths were exactly what were most players' weaknesses. Your typical world-class player liked to serve short and then attack to the middle or backhand. They also liked to return serves short. These tactics were often suicide against Eric - he was at his best against short serves and receives, and his blocking from the middle and backhand were just too good. Thinking players quickly realized they had to serve more long balls and attack his forehand, and to push long against his serves. (Few world-class players were in the habit of letting the opponent loop first, which is exactly what you often had to do against Eric.) Many players, such as Dan Seemiller, found success by chopping to get out of a losing rally since few could withstand his side-to-side jab blocks and anti dead blocks. Many found these tactics too different, and fell back on their old habits - often to their great regret.
Yesterday I blogged about Eric Boggan's national and international record, and mentioned how some of the things he did are basically dying arts. Here is hisHall of Fame profile, written by father and fellow Hall of Famer Tim Boggan.
First, let's clear up one myth. Some believe Eric was only effective because he used inverted and anti, with the same color, so opponents couldn't see which side he used. The two-color rule came about in 1983, when Eric was 19 and not yet at his peak. He had his best results and highest world rankings after the color rule, where he reached #18 in the world. In fact, Eric went to two colors at least six months in advance, figuring he might as well get used to it, since two colors were the future. If not for the two-color rule, he likely would have reached top ten in the world. (But we'll never know.)
What exactly did he do that made his game so effective?
He had either the best, or close to the best, backhand block and overall blocking in the world. His Seemiller grip allowed him to jab block from all parts of the table at wide angles. The grip meant there was no middle weakness, which by itself put him above other blockers who had to guard the wide angles as well as the middle. Plus he regularly would flip his racket and dead block with the antispin side. His anti blocks sometimes double-bounced, and opponents who stepped off the table to loop against regular blocks were left thrashing about trying to react to blocks that died over the table or barely came off. And if they did topspin those ones, they were then stuck too close to the table to react to Eric's next shot, would either be another aggressive block or a smash. (While his loop wasn't great, he had a very nice smash from both sides.)
He also messed up opponents when receiving. Against short serves he'd usually use the antispin side and either drop it short or flip - and he'd hide which until the last second. Then he'd flip to the inverted side and start attacking or aggressive blocking. You haven't faced sheer terror until you face an Eric anti flip and try to loop it. (If you set up for it, he drops the ball short instead.)
His biggest strengths were exactly what were most players' weaknesses. Your typical world-class player liked to serve short and then attack to the middle or backhand. They also liked to return serves short. These tactics were often suicide against Eric - he was at his best against short serves and receives, and his blocking from the middle and backhand were just too good. Thinking players quickly realized they had to serve more long balls and attack his forehand, and to push long against his serves. (Few world-class players were in the habit of letting the opponent loop first, which is exactly what you often had to do against Eric.) Many players, such as Dan Seemiller, found success by chopping to get out of a losing rally since few could withstand his side-to-side jab blocks and anti dead blocks. Many found these tactics too different, and fell back on their old habits - often to their great regret.
Trạng .... CÁ
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How Good was Eric Boggan?
Eric was easily the U.S.'s best player internationally since the hardbat era in the 1950s. Ironically, while he was the best U.S. player, he sometimes lost to fellow U.S. players who were familiar with his game, with the result that while he was in the finals of Men's Singles at the USA Nationals seven times, he only won twice. (He lost in the final four straight years, 1980-83, three times to Dan Seemiller, once to brother Scott, before winning his second and last title in 1984.) Ironically, the first time he won (1978 at age 15) was the only year he wasn't seeded #1.
Eric played with the Seemiller grip. Few players these days still remember some of the things Eric could do as he confounded opponents with his inverted and anti receives, flips, and blocks, along with more conventional loops and smashes. Much of what he did is a dead or dying art.
Here is Eric's record, care of father and USATT Historian Tim Boggan. Make sure to browse over his list of international wins!
Eric Boggan (born 8/14/63) - Career Highlights:
Note: On beginning college in the fall of 1986, Eric went into retirement: he didn't try out for the '87 World Team or the '88 Olympics; didn't play in the '86 or '87 U.S. Closed; didn't play in the '87 U.S. Open. He began playing somewhat regularly again in Jan. '88. Then, in 1990, on graduating from Long Island University, and beginning his full-time job as a letter-carrier (22 years with the P.O. as of now), he soon retired from serious play.
Eric was easily the U.S.'s best player internationally since the hardbat era in the 1950s. Ironically, while he was the best U.S. player, he sometimes lost to fellow U.S. players who were familiar with his game, with the result that while he was in the finals of Men's Singles at the USA Nationals seven times, he only won twice. (He lost in the final four straight years, 1980-83, three times to Dan Seemiller, once to brother Scott, before winning his second and last title in 1984.) Ironically, the first time he won (1978 at age 15) was the only year he wasn't seeded #1.
Eric played with the Seemiller grip. Few players these days still remember some of the things Eric could do as he confounded opponents with his inverted and anti receives, flips, and blocks, along with more conventional loops and smashes. Much of what he did is a dead or dying art.
Here is Eric's record, care of father and USATT Historian Tim Boggan. Make sure to browse over his list of international wins!
Eric Boggan (born 8/14/63) - Career Highlights:
Note: On beginning college in the fall of 1986, Eric went into retirement: he didn't try out for the '87 World Team or the '88 Olympics; didn't play in the '86 or '87 U.S. Closed; didn't play in the '87 U.S. Open. He began playing somewhat regularly again in Jan. '88. Then, in 1990, on graduating from Long Island University, and beginning his full-time job as a letter-carrier (22 years with the P.O. as of now), he soon retired from serious play.
- 6-time U.S. World Team member ('79, '81, '83, ' 85, '89, '91).
- 5-time North American World Cup participant ('80, '82, '83, '85, '86).
- Reached eighths of World's in 1983.
- Highest World Ranking-- #18 (1983)—best of any native-born U.S. player in the last 53 years, since '59.
- Eric was the #1 rated player in the U.S. for 7 years—from Nov., '81 through Dec., '88. His highest rating was 2728 (May-June, 1984). Won many U.S. prize-money tournaments in those years.
- Won Men's Singles at the 1983 U.S. Open, the only native-born player to do so in 47 years, since 1965.
- He's twice won the U.S. Closed (1978, 1984).
- Won Mixed Doubles with Kasa Gaca in 1979.
- Won Men's Doubles with Sean O'Neill in 1988.
- Has 5-times been the U.S. Closed runner-up ('80, '81, '82, '83, '88).
- 1974-80: Won more than 20 U.S. Open/Closed Junior Championships.
- At U.S. Open Team Championships was MVP in 1977. Was on the Championship Team in '78, '80, '90.
- Played consecutively five full seasons in European Leagues (and in many International Opens all over the world)--#1 on team in Swedish League; #1 on teams in Bundesliga.
- 1981: Won (from a strong field) the Scandinavian Junior Open.
- 1982: Won Jamaica 'Love Bird' International.
- 1982: Runner-up in Seoul Open to Waldner.
- Jiang Jialiang, CHN (#1)
- Mikael Appelgren, SWE (#7)
- Zoran Kalinic, YUG (#10)
- Seiji Ono, Japan (#10)
- Istvan Jonyer, HUN (#10)
- Jan-Ove Waldner, SWE (#10)
- Milan Orlowski, CZE (#11)
- Andrzej Grubba, POL (#12)
- Kim Ki Taek, KOR (#12)
- Chen Longcan, CHN (#12)
- Desmond Douglas, ENG (#13)
- Erik Lindh, SWE (#13)
- Kiyoshi Saito, JPN (#14)
- Dragutin Surbek, YUG (# 15)
- Yashihito Miyazaki, JPN (#18)
- Jacques Secretin, FRA (#18)
- Stellan Bengtsson, SWE (#20)
- Leszek Kucharski, POL (#20)
- John Hilton, ENG (#20)
- Tibor Klampar, HUN (#23)
- Patrick Birocheau, FRA (#24)
- Hiroyuki Abe, JPN (#28)
- Jindrich Pansky, CZE (#28)
- Zsolt Kriston, HUN (#28)
- Peter Stellwag, GER (#30)
- Ulf Bengtsson, SWE (#33)
- Cho Jong Cho, PRK (#35)
- Gabor Gergely, HUN (#36)
- Ralf Wosik, GER (#40)
- Patrick Renverse, FRA (#40)
- Christian Martin, FRA (#43)
- Georg Bohm, GER (#44)
Trainee
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Thực ra Cụ Cá nói chung chung và đúng thôi, nhưng nó hơi cao cao. Ở đây em nói người thật, việc thực. E.Boggan cũng chẳng gọi là người dị biệt. Thành tích cao nhất là #20 cũng chưa tới mức vô đối. Cấu tạo cơ thể thì hơi dài loằng ngoằng tý thôi, còn chả có chi gọi là đột biến, ...
Thế ý bác là ở đây lão Boggan này không chính thống? Sao bác bảo thế? Tại không giống ML, cũng chẳng phải ZJK à?
Thế ý bác là ở đây lão Boggan này không chính thống? Sao bác bảo thế? Tại không giống ML, cũng chẳng phải ZJK à?
Em thì cái gì cũng muốn chính thống, vì em quan niệm mình là người bình thường, không có tài năng, chả có năng khiếu, nên cái gì đa số hấp thụ và phát triển được, thì em theo.
backhand-ghost
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Phải chuyển sang 05 hết thôi, 64 chơi 40+ thì thiếu xoáy.
archer
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Em trông như nó dùng King I ấy phải ko các bác?
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